Q & A on the COVID Vaccine with Dr. Naor Bar-Zeev


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Dr. Naor Bar-Zeev, who has been in the forefront of educating the public about COVID-19, graciously agree to answer a few questions about COVID-19.

 

Q: In Israel, they have already vaccinated 1 million people. Why the delay here? When and where will the vaccine be available?

 

A: The development of a safe and efficacious vaccine against COVID-19 was a remarkable success. Operation Warp Speed has been very focused on the scientific development of the vaccine, and very large taxpayer investments made this possible. The challenge now is the large-scale production and equitable and efficient distribution of the vaccine to the population.

This is an enormous task. Public health specialists have been spelling out the complexities of this gargantuan task for many months now. Most countries are finding this challenging. Israel has seen early success in roll-out. This in part is because of the modest population and geographic size of the country, and because Israel’s kupot cholim, the HMOs, are well designed to provide universal health care to all the population. The population is enumerated, every citizen is enrolled in a kupa, there are national identity numbers, and there are universal electronic registers. Israel has also been flexible enough to make use of any residual doses, so that these don’t go to waste. Israel’s population thus far has been enthusiastic in receiving the vaccine.

The United States is incomparably larger, more diverse, and geographically vast. Its health system does not provide universal care, and there are layers of governance: federal, state, and local. Early in the pandemic, we saw blame shifting – sometimes partisan – on resource (like ventilators and personal protective equipment) availability between the state and federal governments. The U.S. is now in a difficult transition of power. States are starting to deploy their distribution plans. Most states have already submitted their plans for review and made these available to citizens for comment.

Roll-out will be phased, as many readers here will know – with healthcare workers, older adults, and essential workers prioritized, as well as persons with other medical conditions that put them at risk of severe COVID-19 disease. How one defines a healthcare worker or an essential worker will lead to debate. How do we identify and reach persons with co-existing medical conditions? How do we engage with communities that may feel hesitant to receive vaccination? All these are important issues that state and local governments are dealing with right at this moment. Once systems for communication, delivery, and supply ramp up, we hope there will be smooth and efficient availability of vaccination for the community. For more information, it is worth checking marylandvax.com and the Maryland State Health Department websites.

  

Q: How long after receiving the vaccine can one shed the mask and social distancing?

 

A: There is a conceptual difference between infection (when a pathogen enters the body) and disease. We know that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, in many cases, can cause infection without disease; that is, it can be asymptomatic. We also know that it can spread from asymptomatically-infected persons. Now we know from well-conducted large trials that the COVID-19 vaccines that have received Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) protect to a high degree against COVID-19 disease. However, at this stage it is not known whether this current first generation of COVID-19 vaccines will reduce asymptomatic infection of SARS-CoV-2 or transmission. There is some evidence from animal studies that they might, but it is unclear how well they will do so in humans at population level. For technical reasons, we are unlikely to know this from the Phase 3 trials.

Some data from other vaccine platforms (not yet licensed in the U.S.) suggest that impact on transmission may be rather modest. For this reason, it remains important to continue using masks and maintain distancing. It also means we have to make a really strong effort to ensure that everyone who is at risk of severe COVID-19 disease gets vaccinated to protect them from disease. This should be prioritized at this stage over the idea of vaccinating everyone to achieve herd protection. We do not yet have sufficient evidence that vaccines will induce herd protection, though of course we hope they will. But we need further studies to determine this.

 

Q: Are you worried about the new strain of COVID in England? Will the vaccine be effective against it?

 

A: Every person is a unique individual and yet we are one species; we are all human. In much the same way, SARS-CoV-2, although it is a specific species of virus, like all life, will diversify into families and clades. This is normal and expected. Nowadays, we have powerful genetic sequencing technologies that can identify single base-pair difference (smaller than a single gene) between individuals, so we will discover many such differences. The question is not whether they will occur. The question is whether they will matter.

They can matter in three ways: 1) They can be more infectious, 2) they can be more pathogenic (cause worse disease), or 3) they can become vaccine escape mutants, which means they will be different enough from the vaccination-induced immunity to evade detection by the human immune system. At this stage, there is indirect evidence that some of the emergent strains are more transmissible. There is no evidence they make you sicker, and the degree of change in them makes it unlikely that the vaccine won’t work against them. Over time this situation could change. Luckily, the mRNA vaccine platform is very amenable to tiny tweaks to keep it effective against new emergent escape-mutations. It might be the case that, in the future, such adjustments to the mRNA code might be needed. But we are far from that scenario currently. The more successful we are at rolling out the vaccines, and if it does turn out to reduce transmission, then this will also slow the emergence of new strains.

 

Q: Rare adverse events have been reported in the media, should we worry about them? How well will they be reported?

 

A: Despite the slow initial roll-out of the vaccine, it has already been given to millions of people around the world. The speed of this roll-out, together with the fact that it is being given mostly to older adults, many of whom have other medical conditions, means that events will occur after vaccination, and these will be quickly reported in social media. It will be important to be able to distinguish events that occur after vaccine but are not caused by vaccination, from those that are caused by the vaccine.

I emphasize, temporal association (B occurring after A) is necessary but not sufficient to establish causation. (Just because B followed A doesn’t prove that A caused B.) For this reason, it is important that we continue post-licensure surveillance, and report all suspected adverse events following vaccination. The United States has a very robust system for such reporting. We should not dismiss concerns as spurious without evaluation, and at the same time we should not jump to presume causation for every event that occurs. We need to be thorough, diligent, systematic, and humble. We need to work hard. There are examples of past vaccines that were withdrawn after licensure and roll out. I think this is unlikely to occur here, but it is not impossible.

As ever, the risks of rare adverse events must be balanced against the risk of not being vaccinated. Thinking only about risk from vaccination is only half the logic. The other half is what is the risk of not vaccinating? This balance of risks will vary for different groups and in different settings and over time. But for now, there is no doubt that the risk of COVID-19, even for younger persons, is far greater than the risk of rare events that may be due to vaccination.

 

Naor Bar-Zeev is a pediatric infectious diseases physician and statistical epidemiologist, associate professor of international health and vaccine sciences, and is deputy director of the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

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