Parenting An Interview with Rebbetzin Mindi Hauer


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Parenting is one of the most important jobs in the world, yet it requires no training, degrees, or education. Having a child automatically crowns you as a parent! But will you be – are you – a good parent or a bad parent? This is a question that bothers many parents. According to Rabbi Yisroel Miller, in his book Guardian of Eden, “Most people will cheerfully admit it if they happen to be incompetent at mathematics or athletics or gardening or automobile repair. Why then are so many people embarrassed to admit it, if they happen to be no good as parents? It has been suggested that it is because parents intuitively sense the truth – that children don’t learn what you preach, they learn what you are. Like it or not, our every action broadcasts to our children our attitudes towards honesty, kindliness, hard work, respect for others, and every mitzva in the Torah.” 

Parents naturally intuit that if their children are not what they had hoped it somehow reflects badly on them. But is that true? Is there more to parenting that simply being your best self? Is parenting instinctive, or can it be learned? Finally, is there hope for “the rest of us”?

To answer these questions, I interviewed Rebbetzin Mindi Hauer, who gives classes to mothers of our community based on a method called P.E.T., Parent Effectiveness Training. Rebbetzin Hauer is passionate about this subject and tells me what prompted her to offer her classes.

“Some years ago,” she says, “I came across a talk show which featured guests from all walks of life who were asked just one question: ‘If you had the opportunity to share one piece of wisdom with the entire world, what would you share?’ I found the idea quite intriguing and asked myself, what would I share, given that opportunity? I didn’t need even a millisecond to come up with the answer. I have had the answer to that question for several years. 

“About six years ago, I had the privilege to meet and host Rabbi Dovid Trenk, z”l, and, yb”l, Rebbetzin Trenk in my home. They were in town to attend a friend’s daughter’s Shabbos sheva brachos, and we were asked if we would be able to host them. We were delighted to do so but were very surprised when, upon the Trenks’ arrival, we found out that the location of the sheva brachos was a good 40-minute walk from our home. Why on earth would someone set them up at our home? We were rather confused – that is, until Shabbos morning.  

“On Shabbos morning, Rebbetzin Trenk and I were shmoozing, and the conversation drifted to one of my all-time favorite topics, namely parenting, at which point Rebbetzin Trenk said to me, ‘Oh, I’ve been teaching parenting for the last 30 years; I’ll give you all my stuff.’

“Though I didn’t realize it at the time, not only was I about to learn an approach to parenting that would dramatically impact my own parenting as well as the parenting of others whom I have been blessed to teach, I was about to be given a weekly private audience with one of the wisest, most engaging, and most refreshingly joyful mechanchos (teachers) of our time. It has been nothing short of life changing for me and my family.

“Though I never did find out the bederech hateva reason for the Trenks’ stay at our home, the hashgacha pratis had become abundantly clear. And it is this gift of parenting wisdom, which Hashem literally brought to my doorstep, that I wish I could share with the entire world. I thank the Where What When for giving me the opportunity to reach at least some of that world.”

Here are Rebbetzin Hauer’s thoughts on parenting and parenting classes.

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WWW: Rebbetzin Hauer, what is the purpose of a parenting class?

 

Mindi Hauer: I will answer by stealing some lines from the parenting classic, Between Parent and Child by Dr. Chaim Ginott. He wrote, “No parent wakes up in the morning planning to make a child’s life miserable. Virtually all parents wish to raise children who are compassionate, capable, confident and secure. Yet in spite of good intentions, even parents who are well-meaning find themselves blaming, shaming, accusing, ridiculing, threatening, bribing, labeling, punishing, preaching, and moralizing daily. Why? Because love is not enough. Insight is insufficient. Good parents need skills.”

 

WWW: At what stage of life should a parent take a parenting class?

 

MH: There is a famous story of the couple who went to the Chazon Ish with their three-year-old to inquire as to when they should begin to be mechanech (educate) their child. He told them they were three years too late. So yes, it makes a big difference if parents have familiarized themselves with a proper approach to parenting before they enter “the thick” of parenting. Having said that, I have found that it is a bit more challenging for parents of children under one year of age to absorb the principles of parenting when their practical application is limited.

 

WWW: Are parenting classes a modern invention? Did parents study parenting techniques in the past as well?

 

MH: It seems that earlier generations understood things organically, which later generations do not. In addition, most mothers today have to balance family and work responsibilities. This certainly creates stresses in the realm of parenting with which earlier generations did not have to contend. Also, the outside world is no longer outside; it is inside, and parents really need insight as to how to keep their children engaged in meaningful ways and how to maintain positive, loving relationships with them.

 

WWW: Do parenting classes undermine parents’ self-confidence and cause them not to trust their own instincts?

 

MH: Although P.E.T. skills are very specific, they make a lot of sense. Hence, they don’t aim to override the parents’ ideas; rather, they become the way the parents begin to think about and approach their relationship with their children. This is because the skills are so straightforward and logical. Once parents have the skills and see results, they become confident in using the skills and appreciate the ability to have a warm relationship with their children while at the same time seeing improvements in their children’s behavior. Rather than diminishing the parents’ self-confidence, it boosts it.

 

WWW: Tell us about the philosophy of Parent Effectiveness Training.

 

MH: Again quoting Dr. Chaim Ginott, “The first step in a long-term program of creating responsible children (i.e., creating a mensch) is a determination to become interested in what children are thinking and feeling and respond not just to their behavior – their outward compliance or rebellion – but to the feelings that trigger that behavior.” This is a critical piece in how we create a relationship with our children, and it is this relationship which serves as the foundation upon which all character education takes place because “values cannot be taught directly; they are absorbed and become part of the child, only through identification with, and emulation of, persons who gain his or her love and respect.”

Some of the main principles of P.E.T. are active listening, communicating through “I messages,” and problem solving.

 

WWW: What distinguishes P.E.T. from other parenting approaches?”

 

MH: While other parenting approaches may offer many on-target parenting concepts, there is no one specific system in which all potential parent-child conflicts fall. Thus at the crunch times, implementation becomes challenging. What did the teacher say about addressing chutzpa? What am I supposed to do when the kids are fighting?

With P.E.T., on the other hand, all of the principles are condensed into one small chart, and all parenting challenges fall into one of the categories on this chart. It is thus significantly more user-friendly, though it does take some time and practice to integrate.

 

WWW: Is P.E.T. appropriate for all ages?

 

MH:  Yes! Yes! Yes! P.E.T. is a universal way of listening and communicating. It is not only great for every age; it is great for every relationship in which you are involved. It is gold!

 

WWW: How would P.E.T. address specific problems, for example sibling rivalry?

 

MH: First, P.E.T. would have you ask yourself the following question: Do I ever notice and comment when my children are getting along? Most parents only notice and then comment when children are not getting along. This simply perpetuates the negative behavior. Why? Because children will repeat whatever behavior has you noticing them, even if it’s negative! P.E.T. suggests that way before the next fighting episode occurs, catch them getting along and comment on it. Catch them sharing, catch them playing independently and not getting in each other’s hair, and say something!

This is such a simple concept but it is extremely powerful and effective. I ask parents to try this for two weeks straight; comment on the absence of a particular negative behavior and avoid commenting on negative behavior when it surfaces. It’s like magic but it makes so much sense. The trick is to keep it up; it’s not easy.

 

WWW: But what should you do if your kids are hitting each other?

 

MH: Employ problem-solving, which basically involves teaching the children to fully hear each other’s sides and then have each of them pause to consider how the disagreement can be resolved. You don’t play judge; you are the coach, and you are teaching them to figure things out on their own. Eventually, with a lot of practice, the children will learn to settle their disagreements independently!

 

WWW: What does P.E.T. say about punishment and reward?

 

MH: Many parents use power and control (reward and punishment) to raise their children. No one needs to attend a parenting class to learn how to use these methods.  Although these methods appear to work really well in the short term, not only are they ineffective but they undermine the parents’ relationship with their children. And without a relationship, the parents are lost. P.E.T. helps parents to have the same results, meaning well-functioning homes and families, through communication and problem-solving skills that create warm and long-lasting relationships with children. P.E.T. fits in perfectly with the Torah way of life.

 

WWW: What is the most important P.E.T. principle?

I think that one of the most important principles of P.E.T. is the critical value of listening. As we quoted Chaim Ginott at the beginning of this article, “The path to raising a mensch is through the determination to become interested in what children are thinking and feeling and to respond not to their outward compliance or rebellion but to the feelings that trigger that behavior.” This is the most effective principle in parenting!

 

WWW: How can a parent judge if he or she is being successful in parenting?

 

MH: I will answer with something that my most wonderful and insightful mother, Rebbetzin Dr. Naomi Baumgarten, a”h, used to say to her children, “If you enjoy your children, you know that you are doing things rights. Just enjoy them, enjoy them.”

 

Readers of this article who are interested in Rebbetzin Hauer’s classes should be in touch by email at connectionschabura@gmail.com for information.

 

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