What Will You Be When You Grow Up?


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All children have dreams of what they will be when they grow up. Every little boy wants to be a fireman or truck driver, and every little girl wants to be a nurse or morah. But not many people end up working in these jobs. Often the careers that excited us as children do not look so exciting once we are adults.  

My father kept an old framed letter hanging in his office for years and told us the story behind it many times. My grandfather was an antique dealer, and he wanted my father to be a judge. During World War II, my father’s family lived in a small town in England, where my grandfather became good friends with Rabbi Dessler, zt”l.

Rabbi Dessler convinced my grandfather to send my father to Gateshead Yeshiva when he was about 16. After spending time in yeshiva, my father lost his yearning to be a judge. He wrote a letter to his parents explaining his desire to stay in yeshiva and become a rebbe. His mother sent my father’s letter to Rabbi Dessler and asked him what they should do. Should they give up their dream of their son becoming a judge so he could stay in yeshiva? Rabbi Dessler wrote back, encouraging them to allow my father to stay in yeshiva. Here are some lines from the letter:

I received your kind letter a few days ago. I have read and reread it and also thought over the problem again and again. I understand quite well your anxiety about your son’s future. After all, the Frankfurt way of Torah im derech eretz is well known. But times have changed and with them the duties towards Yiddishkeit, too. Your son is right!

We can see that the dilemma about careers is not limited to our generation. Parents and their children had and still have different opinions about what careers to choose.

Choosing a career depends on many factors but what makes the decision particularly difficult is that no one can see into the future. We can only take the information we have now and try to plan as best as we can.

Career Counseling

In this community, we have talented counselors who help people figure out what careers will work for them.

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The Ignite Career Center is a program of Jewish Community Services that offers customized services for job seekers of all ages, skill levels, and abilities. Whether the job seeker is new to the job market, returning to the workforce, or is a seasoned professional, Ignite’s professional career coaches and advanced certified resume writers can help one go further and get there faster.

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Faige Katz, whose business, Career360, specializes in vocational counseling, says, “I spend my days helping people figure out what career to train for. What’s right for one person isn’t necessarily right for another. Choosing a parnassah isn’t a black and white issue; it is actually quite colorful. Each person has a unique set of talents, skills, interests, life experiences, and circumstances that lead them to different opportunities.”

There is no one perfect job, Faige explains. “Everyone contributes to society in a unique way. We need doctors, mechanics, accountants, handymen, lawyers, chefs, businesspeople, uber drivers, barbers, web designers; the list goes on and on. There are close to 600 occupations listed in the Bureau of Labor and Statistics.”

With so many bills to pay, income is an important factor in deciding which field to go into for most people. Faige shows clients the average salary to be expected in each field. “But it’s not always cut and dry. I meet with a diverse clientele; some value making a lot of money, and some express a desire to live a simple lifestyle.”

Another important thing to realize, according to Faige, is that every person has a different reality. Some people have the time and money to invest in earning a degree. Someone else might not have the interest or money to spend on a degree. Perhaps they already have a family they have to support; their options are going to be different.

Faige starts with a test, called Career Aptitude Testing, which pinpoints a person’s talents, interests, and G-d-given kochos. The test takes two to three hours and generates information on how a person solves problems, communicates, learns, thinks abstractly and creatively, and which work environment they’ll thrive in. Once the test is finished, Faige has a conversation with the client and uses the information to steer him or her to a suitable career.

“Figuring out how to support oneself financially can be a complicated decision,” says Faige. “Thankfully, there is a way to take the guesswork out of the decision. I encourage you to check out career360.net and the Highlands Ability Battery and use the chochmah that is available to guide you to the right path.” 

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Malka Weintraub, LCPC, has been helping people find their career path for many years – first at Jewish Communal Services, then at General Rehabilitation Services, and then with students and alumni at the University of Baltimore. In her private practice, Career Awakenings, Malka works with people of all ages. Many of her clients are returning seminary students, yeshiva bachurim, and newlyweds just starting out in the world of work, but there are also mothers returning to work and midlife career changers.

Malka starts with a phone conversation, asking the person what brought them to career counseling, what they are looking for, and what kinds of things they have tried. “If we agree that I can help, they come in, and, before our first appointment, I give them various assessments that will elicit more information.” Malka is also a Distance Certified Counselor, allowing her work with clients remotely.

One interesting test compares a person’s pattern of likes and dislikes with the patterns of people who are working in different careers and are extremely happy in their work. “For instance,” says Malka, “let’s say research shows that all accountants like pistachio ice cream. The test will then ask, ‘Do you like pistachio ice cream?’ This is just a made-up example, but there are some very interesting correlations – like, it turns out that a lot of attorneys appreciate and create artwork.

“I also do a personality assessment that shows what might be a challenge for a person in a certain kind of work and what would be very easy.” Malka interprets the tests with her clients, and together they develop a “job search target.” This includes the type of organization (government, a particular industry, or a nonprofit), a geographical area, and a job title: e.g., manager (facilitator, dept head, team leader), accountant, teacher, etc. “It is much easier to find a job if you know in detail what you’re looking for,” says Malka.

“I then help people prepare for the job market, including developing a ‘pitch,’ which is a summary statement of who they are and what they have to offer. We discuss issues that may impact them with an employer and talk about a whole variety of ways to get a job.” Malka also coaches her clients through the job application process and makes it her business to be up to date on careers for 2024, including salaries and what employers are looking for. Malka can be reached at 410-358-0777.

College or Not?

When I was a girl, going to college was frowned upon by the more right-wing element of the community. Parents wanted to steer clear of a place where a young person would be exposed to the values and behaviors of people outside our community. Today, however, alternatives have been developed to avoid that problem. Many yeshivas are accredited, which allows boys to get their bachelor’s degree without leaving yeshiva. One of my sons earned a Bachelors of Talmudic Law from Ner Yisrael. The yeshiva then allowed him to take accounting courses at an outside college while he was in yeshiva, and he was able to sit for the CPA exam. Another son earned a Bachelors of Talmudic Law from Edison Yeshiva and then went on to get a master’s in counseling.

My daughter-in-law Racheli got a master’s degree in clinical mental health counseling through YIEP (in its program at Bellevue University) after getting her bachelor’s degree from TTI (Testing Training International). She says, “I loved that it was all online, via Zoom. It’s true that, in person, you get the benefit of being face-to-face with your faculty and peers, but the virtual format made it more practical. I feel I’m just as prepared as I would have been in any regular college program. This was the best of both worlds – a regular online college program with a special YIEP cohort, meaning all my classmates were Orthodox Jews. The professors were amazing, and I came out of the program with a good handle on how to begin my career as a mental health therapist.” YIEP offers all kinds of programs for men and women.

In Baltimore we have the Community Testing Center. According to Lisa Meister, director of the program, the Center provides an opportunity for a student to earn a regionally accredited bachelor’s degree through credit by exam. Students often work in the field of interest while earning their degree. Individual advising is provided to assist each student in obtaining the necessary courses that they may need for the master’s degree they are pursuing.

“The concentrations in the liberal arts degree consist of education, psychology, or business,” says Lisa. “Many students pursue further master's degrees and careers in special ed, ABA, social work, law, business, and UX design, among other opportunities, such as general educator and nursing home administrator.”

Baltimore is also home to WITS, Women’s Institute of Torah, Seminary, and College. For 25 years, it has been the place where girls can get a seminary education and a bachelor’s degree in many different fields. [See the sidebar.]

Sara Schenirer, of Borough Park, offers undergraduate and graduate degree programs for both men and women in both in-person and live online format. Partnering with respected institutions of higher learning, its programs are rigorous and challenging yet accelerated and highly affordable. Above all, each student is matched with a personal advisor who provides unparalleled student support throughout the program and beyond. Sara Schenirer, now in its 44th year, has graduated more than 28,000 students who’ve gone on to meaningful and lucrative careers.

PCS (Professional Career Services) is a division of the Agudah located in New Jersey. I spoke to Sarah Massry, who explained, “Our programs are goal oriented, shorter, and focus on the exact skills needed so that a person can be prepared to earn a good living. We have separate classes for men and women, and they can be taken online or in person. We have a great job placement department in the tri-state area, and 98% of our students are employed. We accept bachelor’s degrees from yeshivas so that men can go straight into our master’s programs.”

PCS offers an accounting master’s degree program, which takes about 18 months. They also have skills-based classes that do not give degrees: for example, a real estate course, a software and web development course, and a business enrichment course. Programs like this have really opened up the modern world for the members of our community.

Many people take advantage of all these programs and go on to get degrees or certificates, some without ever stepping foot on a college campus.

Not Good Enough

 Although these programs sound like the perfect solution to the dilemma of going to a secular college, there are some opinions that say they are not as good as going to a regular college and others who feel that they do not solve the original problem of going to college.

I spoke to a Baltimore askan about all the new programs that are popping up. He is not sure these programs provide a good enough education. “For someone who wants to do a narrow job and stay there, I guess it is fine.  But if someone wants to grow, they need more fundamental skills. These include oral and written communication, which in my experience is sorely lacking. Students who did not spend a lot of time writing, getting it critiqued, and trying again simply cannot write a concise, clear, and convincing paragraph. Communication skills – learning how to speak to an audience or even one-on-one – is another critical skill that I see sorely missing in a large proportion of the students getting non-rigorous educations. Another aspect of in-person, formal learning, especially if joint projects are done as part of classes, is that one gets exposed to working with others from different cultures and different ways to think about things.

“The main problem is that if someone has the attitude that they are learning just to pass a gate, that attitude stays with them, and they do not necessarily value becoming lifelong learners. Even if they become professionals, that attitude restricts them to a very narrow world view and does not prepare them to go beyond their initial educational or professional boundaries. When the world changes – and it is changing more rapidly now than ever before – unless someone is primed to ‘learn the next thing’ they will be left behind.”

When I told a friend who got his counseling degree online what this askan said, he told me, “I probably missed out on some things by not going to a four-year bachelor’s degree program in a regular college, but I also gained some skills from my yeshiva years. In fact, my practice is greatly enhanced by the chasidic thought that I learned in yeshiva. I also feel that in today’s atmosphere, I can learn whatever I need to know on my own.”

Still Too Secular 

Another perspective came from Rivka, a mother of many, who did not send any of her children to college, even the new frum programs. She says, “Even with the innovations of not having to mingle with college students, it does not solve all the problems. The subject matter and the teachers will still give over secular values. And the student has to spend a lot of time on the internet.”

My friend who lives in New Jersey also does not encourage her children to get degrees. “The pay scale for office jobs in New Jersey that do not need degrees is so good that it is not worth the money and effort to get a degree,” she says. “Even my friends who are professionals themselves do not encourage their children to become professionals.”

Paying for an Education

I asked a woman who is a professional if she was happy with her degree. She made an important point: Her parents had paid for her degree, so she did not have to take out loans. She said, “I love my work, but I would not be happy if I were in debt now.”

When it comes to bankrolling an education, rich people can pay out of pocket, and those with low incomes can get grants. Middle class families are in the most difficult position. Although President Biden has forgiven student loans, his authority to do so has been challenged, and those taking out student loans need to know that loan forgiveness may not be a reality in the future.

No Degree, Lots of Skills

I spoke to a few people who learned their skills by taking specialized courses of study. I did not broach the topic of the income they are making because I feel that every family has different needs. The bottom line is that, if they are satisfied with the income, it is good enough for them. 

One woman took a course in interior design from a program called Design Alive. The course took about six or seven months; she now has a well-paying job as a lighting designer and consultant.

My neighbor, Zvi Pollack of Pollack Inspections, took a 300-hour course that taught him how to do home inspections. “A person has to have a good understanding of building and construction, be observant, and have confidence to be good in this field,” he explained.

Rivka Stern, a graphic artist, took a yearlong course at WITS. “WITS provided me with really good insight into design theory, based on established principles of design and proven psychology behind advertising and design. The course did not go into the business side of things that much, although we learned a few things about working with clients and personal branding. Some of my classmates went on to find internships or positions in graphics or marketing-related companies, but others were just taking the course for credits. I took the course with the intention of starting a freelance business. I did a lot of my own online research and got some guidance from people in my personal circle with experience in freelance work. I learned a lot from trial and error, and over time I’ve gotten more experience.” 

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This topic is endless because the lives of people are so unique and the careers they choose are so varied. If you have made a successful career choice which you think others would be interested to hear about, please send us a letter, and we can print it in the next issue of the Where What When: adswww@aol.com.

 



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